to everybody out there ! Not so much time for posting recently - but more will come up later. Enjoy some holidays - thank you very much for reading.
Here found another version of "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence"played on a Tenori-On
via http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/
Saturday, December 25, 2010
Sunday, December 5, 2010
Look at all the dead bastards... Nice ! WIKILEAKS
Some video here - now these days it is all about WIKILEAKS and if this is right or wrong. You watch the video and then maybe think twice about the BIG BROTHER USA - was it right to kill this people ? Is it wrong to show this to the WORLD ? It seems it is hard to digest the truth for many of the world leaders. Now WIKILEAKS is in big shit - paypal is blocked - actually since hours you cannot go to their site ! Assange is sooner or later to be arrested or killed by some CIA agents or a secret "Jack Bauer"like 24............And how comes all this documents could "leak" - is this another CIA trick ? We give you some minor shit - but the real mess you will not get ...how trustworthy this makes a SUPER POWER like the USA ?
My personal opinion: We need many more WIKILEAKS !
The video is here - I won't comment - get your own impression and especially listen carefully the nice talking on the radio.
My personal opinion: We need many more WIKILEAKS !
The video is here - I won't comment - get your own impression and especially listen carefully the nice talking on the radio.
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Now they are protesting against the new measures.....
It is not even 2 weeks ago the Government introduced new measures to cool down the completely overheated property market. See the posts below.
So almost immediately the "property-sharks" are biting back.
Last week one spokesman from one main developer said "this new measures
would mainly hurt the end-user" - means people who want to buy a property
to use for themselves (what actually still should be the main reason to buy some
appartment - or ?). Because if they buy after the day of the new measures have
come into force and then they suddenly loose their job or have to sell the
appartment because of some financial problems. This point is not really correct:
If you buy today with the purpose to use it for your own living this is something
people are planning for a long time and not in a short term thinking. So if your job
situation or financial situation is weak you will not consider to buy anyhow. This point
maybe is true for only a very small percentage of buyers - so NO POINT AT ALL !
But as the news is telling transactions are very little after the measures have been
introduced - because all the gamblers (speculators) are scared away from buying -
THIS IS VERY CLEAR.
And now the agencies start crying & weeping: If the Government does not revert that
new measures 1,000 of agencies maybe closed & 10,000 of agents will loose their jobs !
GOOD ! Another logical step to cool down the market. Alone in my street are 8 agencies
in a distance of 200 meters - they are all offering the same appartments !
They want the Government to impose a profit-tax. Not a really good idea as people have
many possibilities to avoid this.
So now all this guys (price pushers) who were actually one of the reason that
the prices are "sky-high" are in big trouble, because their commission income for finished
transactions for the next weeks, months will decrease significantly. As they get a lousy basis
pay here we have another reason for this property prices - in past months (1 - 2 years) they
were trying everything to artificially push up prices into completely unreasonable heights.
The higher they sell the more they earn - so why keep the prices low ? They just told sellers to increase the initial asking price - this is snowball - system. If one is starting to do so the others will follow suit soon.
They want to held a protest march now on the coming weekend in Central !
So almost immediately the "property-sharks" are biting back.
Last week one spokesman from one main developer said "this new measures
would mainly hurt the end-user" - means people who want to buy a property
to use for themselves (what actually still should be the main reason to buy some
appartment - or ?). Because if they buy after the day of the new measures have
come into force and then they suddenly loose their job or have to sell the
appartment because of some financial problems. This point is not really correct:
If you buy today with the purpose to use it for your own living this is something
people are planning for a long time and not in a short term thinking. So if your job
situation or financial situation is weak you will not consider to buy anyhow. This point
maybe is true for only a very small percentage of buyers - so NO POINT AT ALL !
But as the news is telling transactions are very little after the measures have been
introduced - because all the gamblers (speculators) are scared away from buying -
THIS IS VERY CLEAR.
And now the agencies start crying & weeping: If the Government does not revert that
new measures 1,000 of agencies maybe closed & 10,000 of agents will loose their jobs !
GOOD ! Another logical step to cool down the market. Alone in my street are 8 agencies
in a distance of 200 meters - they are all offering the same appartments !
They want the Government to impose a profit-tax. Not a really good idea as people have
many possibilities to avoid this.
So now all this guys (price pushers) who were actually one of the reason that
the prices are "sky-high" are in big trouble, because their commission income for finished
transactions for the next weeks, months will decrease significantly. As they get a lousy basis
pay here we have another reason for this property prices - in past months (1 - 2 years) they
were trying everything to artificially push up prices into completely unreasonable heights.
The higher they sell the more they earn - so why keep the prices low ? They just told sellers to increase the initial asking price - this is snowball - system. If one is starting to do so the others will follow suit soon.
They want to held a protest march now on the coming weekend in Central !
Saturday, November 20, 2010
Some new measurements to cool the property market


Please read the 2 articles from SCMP of today. I am not sure if this will significantly help - but lets see. There must be more restrictions for mainland buyers in my opinion for example set up a quota for how many properties a private person / or company is allowed to buy. Check of the origin of the money which is used to buy the property. Also in general more transparency is needed like a buyers register (which will not collide w any "privacy laws".) Please read the 2 articles - just click on them for big size reading.
Tuesday, November 16, 2010
HK PROPERTY - HOW TO PUSH UP THE PRICE
OKAY ! This is just blank theory - but maybe there is some truth behind. I am living in a nice estate in the NT - 2 phases built - the first one around 7 years ago finished. So today my wife tells me...hey in Block 9 even without a balcony one flat was sold for HKD 6.6 Mio.....My first reaction was ..."This is fake or scam"...So later I checked the transaction records:
Flat 38C sold for HKD 6.6 Mio in middle of October 2010 (almost 95% profit compared with 1st transaction) - then after more checking: Same Block flat 48C sold for 6.26 Mio in July 2010 (almost 85% profit compared with 1st transaction). My guess it is / was the same owner - superstitious number ending with 8 - almost same 1st transaction date & almost same 2nd transaction for each almost double the price.
So if I am wrong then this is pure speculation:
1) You have a company interested in speculation in property
2) You buy several appartments in the same estate
3) You mostly keep them empty / unoccupied
4) You have a second company
5) At the right moment your company 1 sells the property to your company 2 for an extremly high price compared with the 1st transaction (75% -90% profit)
6) Is this a good or a bad deal ?
7) It is not really a good deal at all - because you are only moving the money from the left side of your pocket to the right side of your pocket
8) But it is a good deal if your companies are involved in property dealing - means you are one of the HK property agents and you are using "con-man" companies or whatever possible abstruse company constellations to handle this kind of transactions.
9) Then it is a very good deal - because your transaction will be listed in one of the pages of a special section in APPLE DAILY or other property gazettes and everybody will say "oh wow the prices are still going up"
10) Multiply this kind of idea / system by 100 - you are already manipulating the market in a decent way.
So why not introducing a scheme to have a register about who is selling & buying:
1) For private sellers / buyers just issue the first numbers of their ID Card
2) For company sellers / buyers issue the first part of the company name or the first 5 digits of their business registration number
This could help to bring some transperancy into the transactions.
Update 17.11.10: Surely if the toilet bowl & seat & water taps are pure gold then the price for this 38C & 48C is maybe reasonable (there are two toilets in each flat & and a lot of water taps)
Flat 38C sold for HKD 6.6 Mio in middle of October 2010 (almost 95% profit compared with 1st transaction) - then after more checking: Same Block flat 48C sold for 6.26 Mio in July 2010 (almost 85% profit compared with 1st transaction). My guess it is / was the same owner - superstitious number ending with 8 - almost same 1st transaction date & almost same 2nd transaction for each almost double the price.
So if I am wrong then this is pure speculation:
1) You have a company interested in speculation in property
2) You buy several appartments in the same estate
3) You mostly keep them empty / unoccupied
4) You have a second company
5) At the right moment your company 1 sells the property to your company 2 for an extremly high price compared with the 1st transaction (75% -90% profit)
6) Is this a good or a bad deal ?
7) It is not really a good deal at all - because you are only moving the money from the left side of your pocket to the right side of your pocket
8) But it is a good deal if your companies are involved in property dealing - means you are one of the HK property agents and you are using "con-man" companies or whatever possible abstruse company constellations to handle this kind of transactions.
9) Then it is a very good deal - because your transaction will be listed in one of the pages of a special section in APPLE DAILY or other property gazettes and everybody will say "oh wow the prices are still going up"
10) Multiply this kind of idea / system by 100 - you are already manipulating the market in a decent way.
So why not introducing a scheme to have a register about who is selling & buying:
1) For private sellers / buyers just issue the first numbers of their ID Card
2) For company sellers / buyers issue the first part of the company name or the first 5 digits of their business registration number
This could help to bring some transperancy into the transactions.
Update 17.11.10: Surely if the toilet bowl & seat & water taps are pure gold then the price for this 38C & 48C is maybe reasonable (there are two toilets in each flat & and a lot of water taps)
Thursday, October 28, 2010
Kelsey Mudd jailed for 4 years 3 months
Everybody still remember that incident last year in June - now today there was the sentencing - please read below:
Man jailed for taxi driver's death
28-10-2010
An Australian student has been jailed for four years and three months, after being convicted of the manslaughter of a taxi driver in Central last year. The lawyer for the man, Kelsey Mudd, suggested in the High Court that he was only partially responsible for what happened. But the judge disagreed, saying the defence was baseless and distasteful. He also criticised Mr Mudd for failing to show any remorse.
A jury convicted Mr Mudd, 23, of manslaughter by a five to two majority. They also found him guilty - unanimously - of drink driving and dangerous driving.
The court was told that the taxi driver stepped out of his vehicle during an apparent argument with Mr Mudd. The student then took control of the taxi and dragged the driver, who was tangled up in his seatbelt, along the ground, crushing him against the concrete road divider. The vehicle then hit another taxi. Mr Mudd started the vehicle again on the wrong side of the road after police arrived, and smashed head-on into a third taxi.
In mitigation, Mr Mudd's lawyer said his client was only "partly responsible" for the chain of events. He said the driver had left his taxi running when he stepped out of the vehicle - knowing there was a drunken passenger inside.
However, Mr Justice Wright said the defence was "baseless and distasteful". Passing sentence, the judge noted Mr Mudd also sought to blame the police and ambulence officers at the scene. His lawyer said they had failed to perform their duty by switching off the taxi's engine, and that was why he was able to start the taxi for a second time.
Describing the student as "staggering drunk" at the time, the judge noted the alcohol level in his body was five times more than the legal limit.
Mr Justice Wright also said the student had not shown the slightest indication of remorse or sorrow. The judge also ordered that Mr Mudd should not be given a driving licence in Hong Kong in the coming five years.
Man jailed for taxi driver's death
28-10-2010
An Australian student has been jailed for four years and three months, after being convicted of the manslaughter of a taxi driver in Central last year. The lawyer for the man, Kelsey Mudd, suggested in the High Court that he was only partially responsible for what happened. But the judge disagreed, saying the defence was baseless and distasteful. He also criticised Mr Mudd for failing to show any remorse.
A jury convicted Mr Mudd, 23, of manslaughter by a five to two majority. They also found him guilty - unanimously - of drink driving and dangerous driving.
The court was told that the taxi driver stepped out of his vehicle during an apparent argument with Mr Mudd. The student then took control of the taxi and dragged the driver, who was tangled up in his seatbelt, along the ground, crushing him against the concrete road divider. The vehicle then hit another taxi. Mr Mudd started the vehicle again on the wrong side of the road after police arrived, and smashed head-on into a third taxi.
In mitigation, Mr Mudd's lawyer said his client was only "partly responsible" for the chain of events. He said the driver had left his taxi running when he stepped out of the vehicle - knowing there was a drunken passenger inside.
However, Mr Justice Wright said the defence was "baseless and distasteful". Passing sentence, the judge noted Mr Mudd also sought to blame the police and ambulence officers at the scene. His lawyer said they had failed to perform their duty by switching off the taxi's engine, and that was why he was able to start the taxi for a second time.
Describing the student as "staggering drunk" at the time, the judge noted the alcohol level in his body was five times more than the legal limit.
Mr Justice Wright also said the student had not shown the slightest indication of remorse or sorrow. The judge also ordered that Mr Mudd should not be given a driving licence in Hong Kong in the coming five years.
HONG KONG REAL ESTATE OUT OF CONTROL (via Spike)
Please read below - it is originally from Spike from here http://hongkietown.com/ - Thank you for being so kind to just let me copy it as is:
quote
How can a poor man stand such times and live? That’s the title of a song written in 1929 during the American depression by Blind Alfred Reed, who accompanied himself on the violin according to Wikipedia. Presumably he couldn’t afford to hire any back-up musicians. Bruce Springsteen sang it in 2006 though he rewrote most of the lyrics. Ry Cooder recorded the song in 1970 and in this video on Youtube (I think it’s from the 70′s) he is accompanied by the always incredible Flaco Jimenez.
Of course in Hong Kong, it’s not just poor people, even the middle class is being squeezed far beyond the bounds of normalcy or decency.
From today’s SCMP:
Property prices in Hong Kong have risen by more than 45 per cent from the trough to which they sank after the onset of the global financial crisis in 2008, research by the Hong Kong Monetary Authority shows.
The recovery in the luxury residential market has been particularly strong and average prices in the sector are now 14 per cent higher than their previous historic peak, reached in the third quarter of 1997.
Prices in the mass residential market are only 10 per cent down on the peak levels reached before the Asian financial crisis of 1997-1998 triggered a sharp slump in the market.
But homebuyers are not as heavily indebted as they previously were, with the current mortgage repayment-to-income ratio at around 40 per cent, compared with more than 100 per cent in 1997. Mortgage rates are also less than 2.5 per cent, against more than 10 per cent in 1997.
The average loan size is about HK$2.5 million with an average contractual period of 23 years, both at record highs for the past 10 years.
Hong Kong has surpassed New York, Paris and Tokyo to become one of the most expensive cities for buying a flat, according to a report from the Global Property Guide.
The report says Hong Kong is now the third most-expensive city for buying a 1,291 sq ft apartment in the city centre, with Monaco the world’s most expensive and London in second place.
“Demand for housing in Hong Kong is no longer limited to local people, but also comes from the mainland,” said Alva To Yu-hung, the head of property consultant DTZ.
and from another article in SCMP today:
“We are not surprised by these [property price] figures,” Buggle Lau, chief analyst at Hong Kong property broker Midland Holdings, told reporters.
“In recent years, Hong Kong has seen a surge in mainland Chinese buying luxury homes… This has created a situation where demand for luxury homes exceeds supply.”
Pro-government lawmaker Raymond Ho Chung-tai called on the government to do more to help the city’s less well off during a debate on Wednesday.
“Residential flat prices have become a major concern for Hong Kong people,” he said.
“The middle and lower class are finding it more difficult to afford flats amid ever-increasing property prices.”
“The government should consider resuming ‘Home Ownership Scheme’ to meet the demand for flats and increase land auctions to increase land supply.”
Opposition lawmaker Frederick Fung Kin-kee said: “For private developers, of course it’s the more money, the better… They are not willing to help stabilise the market,” said another,
“Since there is no regulation, it is not possible to control their greediness and shortsightedness.”
None of this is a surprise, really. Not even the fact that someone’s English name is Buggle.
And a third article in the SCMP. Maybe this would attract someone’s attention in government – if anyone actually paid attention to the SCMP.
… lawmaker Wong Kwok-hing of the Federation of Trade Unions said on Wednesday the scheme not cool down property prices.
“This policy would not control property developers [driving up prices]. People feel depressed and angry about it,” he told Legco.
Wong also criticised the government for giving no details on several other policies, including retirement allowances for the elderly; policies affecting standard working hours, and new laws to regulate private columbaria.
Hong Kong Association for Democracy and People’s Livelihood lawmaker Frederick Fung Kin-kee also attacked the new housing policies.
He said the government had made available at least 5,000 unsold flats annually under the old Home Ownership Scheme (HOS). But the supply of flats under the new “My Home Purchase Scheme” would only produce 5,000 units by 2014.
“The housing policy outlined in the policy address would not help stabilise the property market,” he predicted.
Fung called on the government to resume building HOS flats.
In other developments, the pan-democrats said they would move five amendments to the motion of thanks for the policy address. The Democratic Party’s three lawmakers plan to move three amendments.
These include a call for the resumption of the HOS flat scheme, abolition of appointed District Council seats by next year, and a motion expressing their disappointment at government’s policies to tackle poverty.
Fred Li Wah-ming, a leading member of the Democratic Party, said his members probably would not support the motion of thanks if their amendments were not passed.
But lawmaker Ip Kwok- him of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB) said his members would vote against the Democratic Party’s motion of amendments to the policy address.
The Economist surveys the global housing market and has decided that Hong Kong real estate is over valued by 58%. They rate Australia as the most over-valued, Hong Kong only comes in at #2. Lord Donald “Boom Boom” Tsang needs to try harder.
There once was a time when everything was cheap, But now prices nearly puts a man to sleep. When we pay our grocery bill, We just feel like making our will — I remember when dry goods were cheap as dirt, We could take two bits and buy a dandy shirt. Now we pay three bucks or more, Maybe get a shirt that another man wore — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Well, I used to trade with a man by the name of Gray, Flour was fifty cents for a twenty-four pound bag. Now it’s a dollar and a half beside, Just like a-skinning off a flea for the hide — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Oh, the schools we have today ain’t worth a cent, But they see to it that every child is sent. If we don’t send everyday, We have a heavy fine to pay — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Prohibition’s good if ’tis conducted right, There’s no sense in shooting a man ’til he shows flight. Officers kill without a cause, They complain about funny laws — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Most all preachers preach for gold and not for souls, That’s what keeps a poor man always in a hole. We can hardly get our breath, Taxed and schooled and preached to death — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Oh, it’s time for every man to be awake, We pay fifty cents a pound when we ask for steak. When we get our package home, A little wad of paper with gristle and a bone — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Well, the doctor comes around with a face all bright, And he says in a little while you’ll be all right. All he gives is a humbug pill, A dose of dope and a great big bill — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live?
unquote
quote
How can a poor man stand such times and live? That’s the title of a song written in 1929 during the American depression by Blind Alfred Reed, who accompanied himself on the violin according to Wikipedia. Presumably he couldn’t afford to hire any back-up musicians. Bruce Springsteen sang it in 2006 though he rewrote most of the lyrics. Ry Cooder recorded the song in 1970 and in this video on Youtube (I think it’s from the 70′s) he is accompanied by the always incredible Flaco Jimenez.
Of course in Hong Kong, it’s not just poor people, even the middle class is being squeezed far beyond the bounds of normalcy or decency.
From today’s SCMP:
Property prices in Hong Kong have risen by more than 45 per cent from the trough to which they sank after the onset of the global financial crisis in 2008, research by the Hong Kong Monetary Authority shows.
The recovery in the luxury residential market has been particularly strong and average prices in the sector are now 14 per cent higher than their previous historic peak, reached in the third quarter of 1997.
Prices in the mass residential market are only 10 per cent down on the peak levels reached before the Asian financial crisis of 1997-1998 triggered a sharp slump in the market.
But homebuyers are not as heavily indebted as they previously were, with the current mortgage repayment-to-income ratio at around 40 per cent, compared with more than 100 per cent in 1997. Mortgage rates are also less than 2.5 per cent, against more than 10 per cent in 1997.
The average loan size is about HK$2.5 million with an average contractual period of 23 years, both at record highs for the past 10 years.
Hong Kong has surpassed New York, Paris and Tokyo to become one of the most expensive cities for buying a flat, according to a report from the Global Property Guide.
The report says Hong Kong is now the third most-expensive city for buying a 1,291 sq ft apartment in the city centre, with Monaco the world’s most expensive and London in second place.
“Demand for housing in Hong Kong is no longer limited to local people, but also comes from the mainland,” said Alva To Yu-hung, the head of property consultant DTZ.
and from another article in SCMP today:
“We are not surprised by these [property price] figures,” Buggle Lau, chief analyst at Hong Kong property broker Midland Holdings, told reporters.
“In recent years, Hong Kong has seen a surge in mainland Chinese buying luxury homes… This has created a situation where demand for luxury homes exceeds supply.”
Pro-government lawmaker Raymond Ho Chung-tai called on the government to do more to help the city’s less well off during a debate on Wednesday.
“Residential flat prices have become a major concern for Hong Kong people,” he said.
“The middle and lower class are finding it more difficult to afford flats amid ever-increasing property prices.”
“The government should consider resuming ‘Home Ownership Scheme’ to meet the demand for flats and increase land auctions to increase land supply.”
Opposition lawmaker Frederick Fung Kin-kee said: “For private developers, of course it’s the more money, the better… They are not willing to help stabilise the market,” said another,
“Since there is no regulation, it is not possible to control their greediness and shortsightedness.”
None of this is a surprise, really. Not even the fact that someone’s English name is Buggle.
And a third article in the SCMP. Maybe this would attract someone’s attention in government – if anyone actually paid attention to the SCMP.
… lawmaker Wong Kwok-hing of the Federation of Trade Unions said on Wednesday the scheme not cool down property prices.
“This policy would not control property developers [driving up prices]. People feel depressed and angry about it,” he told Legco.
Wong also criticised the government for giving no details on several other policies, including retirement allowances for the elderly; policies affecting standard working hours, and new laws to regulate private columbaria.
Hong Kong Association for Democracy and People’s Livelihood lawmaker Frederick Fung Kin-kee also attacked the new housing policies.
He said the government had made available at least 5,000 unsold flats annually under the old Home Ownership Scheme (HOS). But the supply of flats under the new “My Home Purchase Scheme” would only produce 5,000 units by 2014.
“The housing policy outlined in the policy address would not help stabilise the property market,” he predicted.
Fung called on the government to resume building HOS flats.
In other developments, the pan-democrats said they would move five amendments to the motion of thanks for the policy address. The Democratic Party’s three lawmakers plan to move three amendments.
These include a call for the resumption of the HOS flat scheme, abolition of appointed District Council seats by next year, and a motion expressing their disappointment at government’s policies to tackle poverty.
Fred Li Wah-ming, a leading member of the Democratic Party, said his members probably would not support the motion of thanks if their amendments were not passed.
But lawmaker Ip Kwok- him of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB) said his members would vote against the Democratic Party’s motion of amendments to the policy address.
The Economist surveys the global housing market and has decided that Hong Kong real estate is over valued by 58%. They rate Australia as the most over-valued, Hong Kong only comes in at #2. Lord Donald “Boom Boom” Tsang needs to try harder.
There once was a time when everything was cheap, But now prices nearly puts a man to sleep. When we pay our grocery bill, We just feel like making our will — I remember when dry goods were cheap as dirt, We could take two bits and buy a dandy shirt. Now we pay three bucks or more, Maybe get a shirt that another man wore — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Well, I used to trade with a man by the name of Gray, Flour was fifty cents for a twenty-four pound bag. Now it’s a dollar and a half beside, Just like a-skinning off a flea for the hide — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Oh, the schools we have today ain’t worth a cent, But they see to it that every child is sent. If we don’t send everyday, We have a heavy fine to pay — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Prohibition’s good if ’tis conducted right, There’s no sense in shooting a man ’til he shows flight. Officers kill without a cause, They complain about funny laws — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Most all preachers preach for gold and not for souls, That’s what keeps a poor man always in a hole. We can hardly get our breath, Taxed and schooled and preached to death — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Oh, it’s time for every man to be awake, We pay fifty cents a pound when we ask for steak. When we get our package home, A little wad of paper with gristle and a bone — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live? Well, the doctor comes around with a face all bright, And he says in a little while you’ll be all right. All he gives is a humbug pill, A dose of dope and a great big bill — Tell me how can a poor man stand such times and live?
unquote
Wednesday, October 20, 2010
China customs loves Apple !
So here is the new thrill for you: Will they check me on the border to find my Iphone or Ipad ? Then will they ask me to declare it & pay 1,000 RMB tax ? Even if it is very clear you are not a smuggler and the device is 100% your own & already used - they are really daring to do this ?
Where then to apply the VISA for the Iphone / Ipad ? Commissioners office in Wan Chai ?
The other question is - if they really tax your own property when you go in - so what about if you are going out again - will they pay you back ?
Or what about you go several times a week to Shenzhen - then you better carry the tax receipt with you to avoid "double taxation".
Please read the below from SCMP today - click on it for better reading:

Where then to apply the VISA for the Iphone / Ipad ? Commissioners office in Wan Chai ?
The other question is - if they really tax your own property when you go in - so what about if you are going out again - will they pay you back ?
Or what about you go several times a week to Shenzhen - then you better carry the tax receipt with you to avoid "double taxation".
Please read the below from SCMP today - click on it for better reading:

Thursday, October 14, 2010
RICH IN CHINA - Hurun Rich List 2010

IT IS SO EASY TO GET RICH IN CHINA IS'NT IT ? 3 WOMAN ON TOP OF THE LIST ! MAYBE THEY ARE RUNNING THE BUSINESS LIKE HOUSEWIVES SHOP ON THE MARKET NEGOTIATING FOR HOURS A FEW FEN FOR THE CHICKEN ........? THE PICTURE IS ZHANG YIN - THE NUMBER 3 ON THE LIST !
PLEASE CLICK THIS LINK FOR MORE INFO:
Hurun Report - Webpage for China's Business Leaders - hurun.net - Zong Qinghou of Wahaha tops Hurun Rich List 2010:
"Top Ten of Hurun Rich List 2010
2010 RankWealth
US$ billion Name Age Company Industry
1= *12 Zong Qinghou & family 65 WahahaDrinks
2= *6.0 Li Li & family46 Hepalink Pharmaceutical
3= 5.6 Zhang Yin & family 53 Nine Dragons PaperRecycled paper
4= *5.4 Liang Wen’gen 54 SanyHeavy machinery
5= *5.3 Robin Li Yanhong 42 BaiduSearch engine
5=5.3 Yan Bin 56 Ruoy Chai Drinks,Property,Investments
7=5.0 Liu Yongxing & family 62 East HopeAluminium,Feed
7=5.0 Wang Jianlin 56 WandaProperty
7=5.0 Zhang Jindong 48 SuningRetail,Property
10= 4.9 Xu Rongmao & family 60 ShimaoProperty
* New to Top Ten"
PLEASE CLICK THIS LINK FOR MORE INFO:
Hurun Report - Webpage for China's Business Leaders - hurun.net - Zong Qinghou of Wahaha tops Hurun Rich List 2010:
"Top Ten of Hurun Rich List 2010
2010 RankWealth
US$ billion Name Age Company Industry
1= *12 Zong Qinghou & family 65 WahahaDrinks
2= *6.0 Li Li & family46 Hepalink Pharmaceutical
3= 5.6 Zhang Yin & family 53 Nine Dragons PaperRecycled paper
4= *5.4 Liang Wen’gen 54 SanyHeavy machinery
5= *5.3 Robin Li Yanhong 42 BaiduSearch engine
5=5.3 Yan Bin 56 Ruoy Chai Drinks,Property,Investments
7=5.0 Liu Yongxing & family 62 East HopeAluminium,Feed
7=5.0 Wang Jianlin 56 WandaProperty
7=5.0 Zhang Jindong 48 SuningRetail,Property
10= 4.9 Xu Rongmao & family 60 ShimaoProperty
* New to Top Ten"
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