guys you simply cannot WORK and STAY in China on a multiple F visa - for this you need a WORK VISA (Z). Is this so difficult ?
Because of this abusing the F visa, we now here in HK, who really need a multiple F visa (not for the purpose of living and illegally working in China), have to face this problem.
And because of the enormous "inflexibility" of the Central Government. Why the Central Government + the HK SAR Government cannot find a way to protect our interests and finally also the interests of thousands of suppliers on the mainland which are hurt by this very unreasonable measurements ?
Everybody knows that this visa policy is only 20% for the Olympics security.
Read below article and find out some ways how to avoid the PROBLEM (just marry a chinese ? This is not that easy for a foreigner - and is definitely not done in a few days !).
Later more entertainment will come up here as no real "china visa news" are in the pipeline.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1169155&pageid=3
Showing posts with label Chinese Visa. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Chinese Visa. Show all posts
Saturday, June 7, 2008
Tuesday, May 27, 2008
1 POLL COMMENT + IGGY POP + CHINA GIRL 1991
not any "chinese visa news" - why nothing from our HK SAR Government ?
Please read this from the poll comments "Nextstopvietnam":
quote
People, this visa situation has lasted long enough to make it clear that there is not about the Olympics. I could not understand how the Chinese government could act in such a way as it was so business unfriendly. After 12 years my experience of Chinese government officials (in whatever jurisdiction) was that unless there is bribery involved, they make economically very sound decisions. Fear of the Tibet situation or Olympic protests did not seem enough to suddenly stop issuing visas to legitimate business people. Then I read the SCMP article about the 10,000 Africans that had been reduced to 5,000 because of the new rules. The light bulb flashed in my head and I started to see what was really going on. Last year I passed through Guangzhou with a supplier. It was my first time driving through the city in around 3 years. We drove down a street at full speed for 3 or 4 mins and almost everyone on the street was African. I was astounded because in my experience the Chinese are so utterly racist against black people I could not see how they would let so many emigrants settle in one city. At this point the real story started to come to light. The government wants to make all the foreign business people currently working on multiple entry visas to become legitimate. It was far too easy to get come and work in China without paying tax or being legally documented. It is not just English teachers. A very large portion of small foreign companies used to have most of their western staff on multiple entry visas. They would go on abroad for meetings very regularly and stay away for long periods of time so it did not seem as if they were working in China. My multiple entry was reduced from 12 months, to 6 months, to 3 months and then to 2 entry. So this is no sudden policy. It was planned a long time ago and perhaps the Tibet situation finally pushed the officials to action. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Although it personally effects me quite a lot, I understand and accept that the government needs to control its borders. I am a guest in China so I respect their right to do what they want. They have implemented the rules in a very stupid and dishonest way, but as someone pointed out, if more Chinese people in general acted in an open and honest way, I would not have a job. My selling point is that I am easier to deal with. Once I reframed the situation in this light, it was easy to accept. I am still setting up an office in Vietnam, though. It seems as if the government has become business hostile over the last year. I need a plan B in case they suddenly implement more crazy rules. Next year, as the US economy accelerates into DEPRESSION, China will begin to feel the pain and perhaps we will see a change in the government's mood. In the meantime, I will be enjoying the much cheaper labour, great food and better environment of Saigon, rather than traveling for the same amount of time and cost to get to some toxic industrial wasteland in the middle of China. China is best for certain kinds of products, but Vietnam is just as good when you need quality and attention to detail in labour intensive products. Don't expect the visa situation to change in October. This is about illegal emigration and taxation, not about national security.
unquote
I do not want to comment this in details, but unfortunately I need to agree 99% to this - besides this I want to highlight once again that this visa policy is a massive loss of face to us (YES we gweilo / laowai also have FACE) - it is ridiculous enough to explain to our suppliers that we cannot come because we do not get the correct visa we need, because it seems we are considered a "threat to the chinese environment" !
We all can understand that China needs to protect its law, here esp in case of tax issues and illegal business activities.
But this visa policy is like a STEAMHAMMER - it "hammers down to many of honest + legal people" !
Clear: There are many people who are doing some illegal (no tax etc) business in China - but wait:
Is the central government not able to sort out who is doing RIGHT and who is doing WRONG ?
Please dont tell me now about how big China is and how many people live there ...................... !
Please enjoy IGGY POP + CHINA GIRL in Paris 1991 live.
At 2.23 he is SPITTING (dont do this at home or on the street) - hey IGGY this is HKD 1,500 here and not very nice. What is the penalty in RMB in China for spitting ?
Please read this from the poll comments "Nextstopvietnam":
quote
People, this visa situation has lasted long enough to make it clear that there is not about the Olympics. I could not understand how the Chinese government could act in such a way as it was so business unfriendly. After 12 years my experience of Chinese government officials (in whatever jurisdiction) was that unless there is bribery involved, they make economically very sound decisions. Fear of the Tibet situation or Olympic protests did not seem enough to suddenly stop issuing visas to legitimate business people. Then I read the SCMP article about the 10,000 Africans that had been reduced to 5,000 because of the new rules. The light bulb flashed in my head and I started to see what was really going on. Last year I passed through Guangzhou with a supplier. It was my first time driving through the city in around 3 years. We drove down a street at full speed for 3 or 4 mins and almost everyone on the street was African. I was astounded because in my experience the Chinese are so utterly racist against black people I could not see how they would let so many emigrants settle in one city. At this point the real story started to come to light. The government wants to make all the foreign business people currently working on multiple entry visas to become legitimate. It was far too easy to get come and work in China without paying tax or being legally documented. It is not just English teachers. A very large portion of small foreign companies used to have most of their western staff on multiple entry visas. They would go on abroad for meetings very regularly and stay away for long periods of time so it did not seem as if they were working in China. My multiple entry was reduced from 12 months, to 6 months, to 3 months and then to 2 entry. So this is no sudden policy. It was planned a long time ago and perhaps the Tibet situation finally pushed the officials to action. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Although it personally effects me quite a lot, I understand and accept that the government needs to control its borders. I am a guest in China so I respect their right to do what they want. They have implemented the rules in a very stupid and dishonest way, but as someone pointed out, if more Chinese people in general acted in an open and honest way, I would not have a job. My selling point is that I am easier to deal with. Once I reframed the situation in this light, it was easy to accept. I am still setting up an office in Vietnam, though. It seems as if the government has become business hostile over the last year. I need a plan B in case they suddenly implement more crazy rules. Next year, as the US economy accelerates into DEPRESSION, China will begin to feel the pain and perhaps we will see a change in the government's mood. In the meantime, I will be enjoying the much cheaper labour, great food and better environment of Saigon, rather than traveling for the same amount of time and cost to get to some toxic industrial wasteland in the middle of China. China is best for certain kinds of products, but Vietnam is just as good when you need quality and attention to detail in labour intensive products. Don't expect the visa situation to change in October. This is about illegal emigration and taxation, not about national security.
unquote
I do not want to comment this in details, but unfortunately I need to agree 99% to this - besides this I want to highlight once again that this visa policy is a massive loss of face to us (YES we gweilo / laowai also have FACE) - it is ridiculous enough to explain to our suppliers that we cannot come because we do not get the correct visa we need, because it seems we are considered a "threat to the chinese environment" !
We all can understand that China needs to protect its law, here esp in case of tax issues and illegal business activities.
But this visa policy is like a STEAMHAMMER - it "hammers down to many of honest + legal people" !
Clear: There are many people who are doing some illegal (no tax etc) business in China - but wait:
Is the central government not able to sort out who is doing RIGHT and who is doing WRONG ?
Please dont tell me now about how big China is and how many people live there ...................... !
Please enjoy IGGY POP + CHINA GIRL in Paris 1991 live.
At 2.23 he is SPITTING (dont do this at home or on the street) - hey IGGY this is HKD 1,500 here and not very nice. What is the penalty in RMB in China for spitting ?
Friday, May 2, 2008
WORDS
by Hon Mr. Donald Tsang at the torch relay ceremony today - but this words were not meant for us "desperate china visa applicants" (also not for the thousands of "HK perm ID card holders with foreign passports" who contributed on both sides of the border a lot the last 20 years).
Thank you and have a good sleep:
quote
"As a cosmopolitan city of China, Hong Kong is uniquely placed to play this bridging role between the peoples of the world, and the people of our country. In Hong Kong, we are a world in a city, where different people, with different beliefs, and different views have thrived in the spirit of diversity, tolerance and respect. This same spirit feeds the Olympic flame, and makes it burn brightly.
As the Olympic torch is relayed through Hong Kong - and as it travels across the vast expanse of our country in the months ahead- I truly hope that it will continue to blaze a trail of unity and peace, for all people, of all nations. The goal of 'One World. One Dream' is there for us to achieve."
unquote
SOURCE: CHINADAILY
PLEASE BEHAVE WITH YOUR COMMENTS - ALL NASTY / NAUGHTY / OVER-EMOTIONAL COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED !
Thank you and have a good sleep:
quote
"As a cosmopolitan city of China, Hong Kong is uniquely placed to play this bridging role between the peoples of the world, and the people of our country. In Hong Kong, we are a world in a city, where different people, with different beliefs, and different views have thrived in the spirit of diversity, tolerance and respect. This same spirit feeds the Olympic flame, and makes it burn brightly.
As the Olympic torch is relayed through Hong Kong - and as it travels across the vast expanse of our country in the months ahead- I truly hope that it will continue to blaze a trail of unity and peace, for all people, of all nations. The goal of 'One World. One Dream' is there for us to achieve."
unquote
SOURCE: CHINADAILY
PLEASE BEHAVE WITH YOUR COMMENTS - ALL NASTY / NAUGHTY / OVER-EMOTIONAL COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED !
Sunday, April 27, 2008
WALL STREET JOURNAL
Please also read several new posts below and what the WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on china visa news:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120917750942747113.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120917750942747113.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Friday, April 25, 2008
"Visa clarification fails to satisfy"
......on today front page of SCMP. The given assurance that they would continue to issue 12-month re-entry visas to British business people ........if they supply an invitation letter by a relevant department of the central government, such as chamber of commerce in addition to return flight ticket + hotel voucher - this is all meaningless - it is stressful and not guaranteed to get this "visa notification letter" - and then probably the visa issued based on this "visa notification letter" will be limited to the province / city it was issued......Anybody applied already this letter and got a multiply entry visa issued ? Please comment.
Here the NY Times yesterday:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/world/asia/24china.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2
Here the NY Times yesterday:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/world/asia/24china.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
SCMP 23.04. - "Hundreds of complaints........."
Please read in comment 1 ! Read also this CHINA VISA NEWS from Reuters:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKPEK29398920080422?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKPEK29398920080422?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
Tuesday, April 15, 2008
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